If they're overdone, yes, I suppose they could become vices.
Suppose I were to have sex with someone who I didn't like but found very attractive, and didn't speak to them aside from during sex. That would be considered bad behavior, in certain circles.
But, suppose I were to make love to someone who I cared for deeply and liked very much. That's not just pleasure--that's heaven.
I feel that I've misled you about the nature of my current relationship. He is a very good man and it's mutually beneficial, but we're not soul mates or anything like that.
I have been deeply in love and I hope to be again someday, but currently it's . . . not quite that devoted.
[Private to Ianto] Ahh, well, maybe my comments were a bit too.. dramatic? I didn't mean to make it sound like I felt whatever relationship you were in now was... Well.
I guess I assumed here, but as far as misleading me-- not really Ianto. It's not like you've gone on and on about your love life and then rescinded what you said.
In retrospect, I apologize if it sounded as if I was waxing poetic on your current, whatever it may be. I think I may be a bit, ahh, emotional tonight. My apologies in advance for whatever else I may say.
[Private to Ianto] I have no experience talking here, and really you can ignore everything I'm saying here... I understand enjoying what you can when you can... but shouldn't you want to try for more?
It's a lot of little things that separately I could probably handle but all together are getting a bit difficult. Sure you got the time?
Have you ever craved something? No rhyme or reason to it, just a want that can't be satisfied by anything else?
That's how I feel about my lover.
And when you want something--someone--that much, that badly, and they offer you as much of themselves as they're capable of giving, you take what you're given and be grateful.
Yes, I'm sure.
[ooc: I, however, will be heading for bed soon, as I am le tired.]
[Private to Ianto] ... yes I do know what you're talking about. Perhaps a bit too well.
I can give the advice, but I can't take it. Like I said, I have no authority on the matter as I'm hardly in a position to speak myself.
Well, as far as the overly emotional goes. It started with my sister, she is almost as bad of a workaholic as I am. Not really making time for much else. She recently met someone she said, they've been dating and things have been going well. And I congratulated her on that.
My mother, god bless her heart, has been taken to the hospital. Nothing serious, but stil, I can't help feeling if I had been back home she would have been able to just call me and I could have helped her before she had to be hospitalized.
Recently, the Doctor took me to... I don't even remember the name of the planet. But they were holding a ceremony while we were there. I suppose it's similar to a marriage ceremony, perhaps a bit more than that (this race doesn't believe in divorce, but their marriages haven't quite become tainted yet). It was perhaps a bit flowery, but... the participants... what you said just now and above about being with someone? You could see that with them.
And most recently... I've told you of how I felt about the Doctor. I've... come to terms with that. I don't perhaps like the place I have come to, but in the end, I made peace with the situation and am working on moving on. It's difficult, when you are constantly reminded that you are not his previous companion and will never quite live up to her. It's sort of the self-esteem cherry on the sundae.
You've had a rough couple of days, it sounds like. I'm sorry it's been so difficult for you.
Now, granted, what I know about the Doctor comes from Torchwood files and my own observations . . . but are you certain he's capable of emotions the same way we are? There are some emotions that universal, but at the same time we can never assume that an alien being will understand them the same way we do.
It's very possible the Doctor remembers his former companion with such fondness simply because she is no longer there, and nothing paints a rosier picture than absence.
[Private to Ianto] Yeah, like I said, nothing I couldn't handle individually, but all together... Is a bit much.
Am I certain? No. I doubt it most likely. I've come to terms with what I wanted Ianto and have, I've put it to bed.
Perhaps, but he's had others before her. He's mentioned those as well, but not with such... emotional connection. I don't know, I jut wish to stop being compared to a ghost.
[Private to Ianto] You're all a bit dim. Alien or not, you all have that in common.
I hate it when you come up with logical arguments for things that are bothering me. You really need to work on that. Or at least have more things affect you, I'm beginning to think you are the unflappable presence in the universe.
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Thanks for redoing it for me love.
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... if you listen to certain authorities anyways.
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Suppose I were to have sex with someone who I didn't like but found very attractive, and didn't speak to them aside from during sex. That would be considered bad behavior, in certain circles.
But, suppose I were to make love to someone who I cared for deeply and liked very much. That's not just pleasure--that's heaven.
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You are making me very envious right now. And I am pouting.
But I also agree.
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And while I never begrudge someone that bit of happiness... let's just say I've never experienced that kind of a connection.
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I'm sure I'll find it at some point, if I can ever take a moment to slow my own life down.
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I feel that I've misled you about the nature of my current relationship. He is a very good man and it's mutually beneficial, but we're not soul mates or anything like that.
I have been deeply in love and I hope to be again someday, but currently it's . . . not quite that devoted.
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Ahh, well, maybe my comments were a bit too.. dramatic? I didn't mean to make it sound like I felt whatever relationship you were in now was... Well.
I guess I assumed here, but as far as misleading me-- not really Ianto. It's not like you've gone on and on about your love life and then rescinded what you said.
In retrospect, I apologize if it sounded as if I was waxing poetic on your current, whatever it may be. I think I may be a bit, ahh, emotional tonight. My apologies in advance for whatever else I may say.
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Yes, I tend not to go on and on about anything.
There is someone that I care for very much, but the situation is hopelessly complicated right now and I don't see a resolution to it anytime soon.
So meantime, I enjoy what I have. It's not romantic, I suppose, but I can't complain. I'm hardly unhappy with it.
Why emotional? Do you want to talk about it?
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I have no experience talking here, and really you can ignore everything I'm saying here... I understand enjoying what you can when you can... but shouldn't you want to try for more?
It's a lot of little things that separately I could probably handle but all together are getting a bit difficult. Sure you got the time?
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Have you ever craved something? No rhyme or reason to it, just a want that can't be satisfied by anything else?
That's how I feel about my lover.
And when you want something--someone--that much, that badly, and they offer you as much of themselves as they're capable of giving, you take what you're given and be grateful.
Yes, I'm sure.
[ooc: I, however, will be heading for bed soon, as I am le tired.]
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... yes I do know what you're talking about. Perhaps a bit too well.
I can give the advice, but I can't take it. Like I said, I have no authority on the matter as I'm hardly in a position to speak myself.
Well, as far as the overly emotional goes. It started with my sister, she is almost as bad of a workaholic as I am. Not really making time for much else. She recently met someone she said, they've been dating and things have been going well. And I congratulated her on that.
My mother, god bless her heart, has been taken to the hospital. Nothing serious, but stil, I can't help feeling if I had been back home she would have been able to just call me and I could have helped her before she had to be hospitalized.
Recently, the Doctor took me to... I don't even remember the name of the planet. But they were holding a ceremony while we were there. I suppose it's similar to a marriage ceremony, perhaps a bit more than that (this race doesn't believe in divorce, but their marriages haven't quite become tainted yet). It was perhaps a bit flowery, but... the participants... what you said just now and above about being with someone? You could see that with them.
And most recently... I've told you of how I felt about the Doctor. I've... come to terms with that. I don't perhaps like the place I have come to, but in the end, I made peace with the situation and am working on moving on. It's difficult, when you are constantly reminded that you are not his previous companion and will never quite live up to her. It's sort of the self-esteem cherry on the sundae.
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You've had a rough couple of days, it sounds like. I'm sorry it's been so difficult for you.
Now, granted, what I know about the Doctor comes from Torchwood files and my own observations . . . but are you certain he's capable of emotions the same way we are? There are some emotions that universal, but at the same time we can never assume that an alien being will understand them the same way we do.
It's very possible the Doctor remembers his former companion with such fondness simply because she is no longer there, and nothing paints a rosier picture than absence.
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Yeah, like I said, nothing I couldn't handle individually, but all together... Is a bit much.
Am I certain? No. I doubt it most likely. I've come to terms with what I wanted Ianto and have, I've put it to bed.
Perhaps, but he's had others before her. He's mentioned those as well, but not with such... emotional connection. I don't know, I jut wish to stop being compared to a ghost.
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It's also possible he doesn't realise the effects his words have on you. Even the most sensitive of males can be a bit dim that way.
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You're all a bit dim. Alien or not, you all have that in common.
I hate it when you come up with logical arguments for things that are bothering me. You really need to work on that. Or at least have more things affect you, I'm beginning to think you are the unflappable presence in the universe.
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I sense bitterness.
I'm not entirely unflappable. I've been quite flapped a few times. I just tend to do it when nobody's watching.
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Just a bit of bitterness. But yeah, you sense right.
Well then, I suppose there is hope for me yet, huh?
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I'm sorry :(.
Perhaps, but considering how rarely I let that side of me out here? I wouldn't count on it.